Business of the company continually increased for some time, until January 1, 1886, when a disastrous fire demolished the company's warehouse with the loss of near $1,000,000. 0000007704 00000 n [4], Ferry began to operate facilities outside Detroit. I have a better idea. I have no complaint about you personally, only with the incompatibility of our conversational style and how that interferes with us gaining any ground in either of our positions on this issue. It sounds more like an environmental disaster in India to me, if this information is accurate. Hollyhock Summer Carnival Mixed Colors Seed. That's fine, but that does confirm my conclusion that we are not a good fit for a conversation and it has not been constructive, for me. I am not an evangelist, simply a critical thinker who keeps their faith to themselves and encourages others to respect the belief of all just not to manipulate others with the sort of false, misleading & manipulative, and incomplete information which activists on both artificially created poles routinely are doing. Yet you dont consider this statement a label? The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. ;-), I appreciate that you see some value in it. 0000492971 00000 n All American Seeds are 100% Non-GMO. If you really believe that your side of this conversation represents staying on the original subject as much as possible, than you did the best you could. Pupilla - From my point of view, in any conversation with another person, you have to win their favor enough to interest them in continuing a conversation with you. To choose to evaluate each product on a case by case basis -- If I understand you to mean that if a product is GMO based, you will evaluate it at that point? 0000016303 00000 n . Ferry & Co with $750,000 in capital, and Ferry as president,[4] James McMillan as vice-president, H. Kirke White as secretary, and Charles C. Bowen as treasurer. That can only be because you have failed to grasp what my concerns are and what they mean. Expressing concern and making people aware of an issue, is not what I consider scare mongering. They used a popular buzzword and didn't bother to do the most superficial fact-checking. +w4'h\o6mKk/SkA2?+!>Qbl!=;EINQ$K^7i76Go]. The people who are against Monsanto aren't doing their cause any favors by spreading misinformation and the few articles I have read about the issue have been written by people who clearly have an agenda that isn't informing the public, but it to rally people to their cause by any means necessary. Then read your own comment. Do you realize that is what you are saying? Only if you are trying to convince them of something. (And FYI has been working on GMOs) Worse then Urban Outfitters, which has modeled clothing after Nazi Death Camp uniforms and been cited for use of (possibly involuntary) child labor? Audubon Workshop Breck's Bulbs Cook's Garden Dege Garden Center Earl May Seed E & R Seed Co Ferry Morse Flower of the Month Club Gardens Alive Germania Seed Co Garden Trends HPS Jung Seed Genetics Lindenberg Seeds That is pretty depressing. :-|. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. I don't want to see this idea catching on that big companies can cherry pick the best varieties, not let us grow them, and the only way we can get them is by paying $5 for a plastic clamshell of them in Walmart as if they were blueberries out of season. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. I had already said the same thing in an earlier post, but did not use the word, misquoted and you had no problem with that. If you can tell their ideology from the title, it probably isn't. Here is a link to an article about it on the Huffington Post, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-hassler/bitter-seeds-documentary_b_2155970.html. This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. If you have some opinion on GMO seeds, on Monsanto, or other companies producing GMO seeds, or the preservation of non GMO seeds, which are the topic of this thread, then perhaps you might share that in concise and direct language and leave out the rest. hbba`b``3 10 [T endstream endobj 523 0 obj <>/Metadata 26 0 R/Pages 25 0 R/StructTreeRoot 28 0 R/Type/Catalog/ViewerPreferences<>>> endobj 524 0 obj <>/Font<>/ProcSet[/PDF/Text]/XObject<>>>/Rotate 0/StructParents 1/TrimBox[0.0 0.0 612.0 792.0]/Type/Page>> endobj 525 0 obj <> endobj 526 0 obj <> endobj 527 0 obj <> endobj 528 0 obj <>stream Also the list is also, "or sells small percentages of seed from them.". About Ferry-Morse. I'm sure that what I've had to say will not be satisfactory to you. I gave you a link to what I thought an realistic assessment on it from National Geographic, too where some concerns are mentioned. I put your complete, and in context quote in your original words above my reply. Apparently, based on debate theory. Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." I'm trying to avoid their products too. I responded with a simple report on the seed companies I enjoy using that I have confidence do not carry GMO seeds. However there is one point I can beef up. I vote with my pennies, just as you do with yours. But you claim that you do. Now look how long the post got, but no matter, you have honest reply to at least everything here. After only your very first paragraph, I am already disagreeing with everything youve said. For example they were where the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published (link). Would never use a lawn service and have explained the problems of them to my neighbor who did and doesn't any more. I never would have guessed. Atlee Burpee & Co. Burpee is NOT owned by Monsanto. Anyone have any information about that? Pupilla - I just saw this response. Once of the great things about capitalism is that we can vote with our buying patterns. But please own your words, since those original words I found objectional, and I respect you for what you say, and would feel foolish to participate in a conversation where at the end I am told I misquoted someone when I did not and would not, and if it happened by accident I would instantly correct and apologize, because I will own my mistake. [g] With all the healthy social skills you can muster. I will address your issue about the reputed 250,000 suicides per year in India which you have taken on faith to be true, and not critically taken the time to fact-check. The Company was, at a particular time, the largest seed supplier globally. You should not assume I must do all the grunt work for an argument if I start and find no credibility nor effort to fact check on your part. To learn from a debate my partner needs to provide quality information. They are reliable, trustworthy seeds you know will sprout and grow when you want them to. https://www.msu.edu/~howardp/seedindustry.html. Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. I see some noble motive given to something, like trying to cure disease attached to the pursuit of biotech methods, but many other motives become more the focus as that pursuit develops. You seem to still want to believe that GMO seed may not be such a bad thing. Yes, you read that right. And for the sake of argument, lets say that Monsanto is not now selling GMO seed to home gardeners. Today Jiffy seed starting products are used by professional and experienced growers around the world. -- and what I said, which was that getting the word out produces an awareness of GMOs as an issue. [2] Do you usually answer questions with yes or no answers? If you cant have Better Boy and Early Girl, without Monsanto and their biotech efforts, Ill willingly give up their varieties. Zinnia Thumbelina Seed. I was already questioning whether the list would be credible or not. [g] Not always easy to get what is in your head clearly down on the page. And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? Please explain, what it is about a desire not to see genetically modified seeds and plants that you object to? We boycott all gene-altering companies." they also are connected with an heirloom gardening magazine. 1% retail connection and then made to look as "owned by"? "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery" When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. I'd really like to know. Compare $ 1 99 (1) Model# 0069. There is a present and significant danger that the $10 billion citrus industry in Florida will be destroyed and the best solution so far is a GMO project going on. Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done and is doing? :-)". I keep my variety! And that has not changed since the first time I posted it. "Monoculture" is a problem that has far reaching implications outside the farm itself.In fact, the whole concept of modern agriculture, from animal raising to crop growing, is plagued with many serious issues. National Geographic Article on GMOs and Florida Orange Juice, reference from the British publication Nature, the pioneering 1973 peer-reviewed paper of CFCs causing the breakdown of ozone was published, https://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/sites/default/files/fs_1802_1406-monsantoseedsupd_web.pdf, using taj mahal quartzite for kitchen counter. After the ovule has ripened, seeds are the product. There's plenty of it. In 1999, a group of seed catalog companies, led by High Mowing Organic Seeds, teamed up to create the Safe Seed Pledge. Instead of discussing, either GMO seeds, or Monsanto, or other corporations that are producing GMO seeds, or the availability of non GMO seeds and how to preserve that, youve turned the discussion into an analysis of words and meanings of words, and what I meant when I said what and in what ways my end of the conversation fits in with your ideas of debate theories and techniques. ~ GMOs dont seem to concern you is that right? More selfish motives that ignore what is good for mankind or the natural world, in general. Through generations of care and quality, Ferry-Morse has earned the trust of home gardeners across the country. You cant have one without the other at this point. I did a bit of research, I don't believe that Ferry Morse/ Jiffy/ American Seed is owned by Monsanto.